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Stella 7.0 ? [message #2440] Wed, 08 October 2014 16:58 Go to next message
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Hi!
And what about Stella 7?
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2441 is a reply to message #2440] Wed, 08 October 2014 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Constantin,

So far the problem is finding some time to deal with customisations, but the bigger issue for me is actually Gnome3. I don't like it, I find it slow and buggy, but at the same time MATE is not as good an experience as Gnome2 was on EL6. I am just let down by the quality at the moment; it's not disastrous, but far from ideal.

I am hopeful MATE updates (if any) will lead to a better experience. As it is I am afraid Stella 7 would be sub-par.
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2449 is a reply to message #2441] Sat, 11 October 2014 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What about KDE?
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2450 is a reply to message #2440] Sat, 11 October 2014 10:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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KDE, yeah I don't really see it happening. The only KDE deployment that I like is the one in Rosa, otherwise stock KDE has long stopped being an alternative (for me).
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=rosa
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2463 is a reply to message #2440] Mon, 13 October 2014 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nux, if you don't mind my asking, what about GNOME3 sucks for you? I got used to it, rather early on. Although I do agree, GNOME2 worked, and I wish MATE did as well. Although its alot better these days. At least audio works right in EL7.
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2466 is a reply to message #2463] Tue, 14 October 2014 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, for one, whenever I login to Gnome3 my CPU fan goes crazy. It doesn't do this in MATE or KDE.
I don't know what's causing it. Perhaps a future update would fix it.
It does this on my fiancée's laptop as well, so it's not only me.
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2469 is a reply to message #2466] Tue, 14 October 2014 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi!
And what about Cinnamon (for now it's present in EPEL) ?
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2471 is a reply to message #2440] Tue, 14 October 2014 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Have tried it briefly and was unimpressed, perhaps it's time to test it again, who knows. Thanks for mentioning it. Smile
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2472 is a reply to message #2471] Tue, 14 October 2014 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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index.php?t=getfile&id=168&private=0There is a "new" interesting DE. http://lxqt.org/ Smile
What do you think about?

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Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2473 is a reply to message #2472] Tue, 14 October 2014 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1) Gnome 3 "Classic" (base & updates repos)
pros:
-native DE, supported & maintained by RH
-requires no additional libs
cons:
-requires 3D driver
-very slow
-no quick start panel, no panel applets
2) MATE (EPEL)
pros:
-very similar to old good Gnome 2
-panel applets, quick start panel
-does not require 3D
-maintained by Fedora Community
cons:
-(kilo)tons of additional libs, ported from Gnome 2
-GTK2 & GTK3 mix
-(most of) all Gnome apps are duplicated (besides, with very strange names)
3) Cinnamon (EPEL)
proc:
-LXDE-like desktop based on NATIVE!!!! Gnome 3 libs & 2-3 Cinnamon-specific packages
-no additional libs
-applets & quick start (there are many applets & extensions, really)
-uses all native Gnome standard apps
-ex-Windows users are happy Smile
-maintained by Fedora Community
cons:
-without 3D driver may be slow (well, not so much as default "classic", but still ...)
4) LXDE, LXQT - not in repositories Sad

P.S.: this post is NOT attended for "Holy Wars" for favorite DE, but just food for thought Smile

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Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2474 is a reply to message #2473] Tue, 14 October 2014 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LXQT is available, if you drop it in yum.repos.d

[X11_lxde_lxqt_fedora]
name=LXQT ported to Fedora (Fedora_20)
type=rpm-md
baseurl= http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/lxde:/lxqt:/f edora/Fedora_20/
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey= http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/lxde:/lxqt:/f edora/Fedora_20/repodata/repomd.xml.key
enabled=1

Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2476 is a reply to message #2474] Wed, 15 October 2014 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not Enterprise package set - it's from OpenSUSE factory (for Fedora 20, NOT for el7) - No support to June 2024

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Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2478 is a reply to message #2476] Wed, 15 October 2014 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@ constantin
It`s only for testing, because there is no OS with this DE for now. Smile
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2482 is a reply to message #2466] Wed, 15 October 2014 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nux wrote on Mon, 13 October 2014 18:49
Well, for one, whenever I login to Gnome3 my CPU fan goes crazy. It doesn't do this in MATE or KDE.
I don't know what's causing it. Perhaps a future update would fix it.
It does this on my fiancée's laptop as well, so it's not only me.


Even in the GNOME Classic? Wow! Well that's one that I would get annoyed with.
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2485 is a reply to message #2440] Wed, 15 October 2014 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, that happens in Gnome Classic. Doesn't happen with MATE or KDE.
I blame Javascript. Smile

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Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2492 is a reply to message #2440] Wed, 15 October 2014 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For me its the opposite, depending on how much cruft I add, Classic is by far the best, with a tie for second with MATE and Cinnamon, then normal GNOME 3, then KDE4. KDE4 is bloatware in my book. This is from using RHEL7, and Fedora 20, along with the flagship KDE, OpenSUSE 13.1.

Oh well, perhaps as the revisions progress the cruft in Classic will be cut away, or MATE will catch up all the way. I like the packages for EL7, they are very nice, but there are a few quirks that annoy the hell out of me. At least if I had a gun to my head, I could use it now. Prior releases of MATE had janked audio, and to add insult to injury, made life difficult when trying to switch from integrated audio, to sound board, to USB headset. I think its the GTK+3 stuff, since it looks exactly like the GNOME3 sound properties now.

Either way, I think we could be worse off -- on a Mac or Windows computer Very Happy
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2504 is a reply to message #2440] Thu, 16 October 2014 15:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hehe, agreed, though I tend to end up with MATE no matter what I try. Smile
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2689 is a reply to message #2504] Thu, 30 October 2014 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm also facing the issue with Centos 7 gnome-classic shell, as Nux rightly pointed about the fan going crazy with gnome 3. Apart from this fan issue there're a couple of others, most importantly high memory consumption and less responsive environment. And then some crazy decisions such as https://forums.nux.ro/index.php?t=msg&goto=2027&S=cf 475b955bc91b61e101a414b69208fc and https://forums.nux.ro/index.php?t=msg&goto=1811&S=cf 475b955bc91b61e101a414b69208fc

I see myself in Mate league when it will completely port to gtk3, sometime in a year. I don't like gnome 3, but I can live with the classic mode for the time being.

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Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2707 is a reply to message #2689] Fri, 31 October 2014 13:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yet another proposition for Stella 7 - use kernel from CentOS plus, because RH have dropped support of many hardware in their base kernel.
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2709 is a reply to message #2707] Fri, 31 October 2014 17:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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constantin wrote on Fri, 31 October 2014 13:29
Yet another proposition for Stella 7 - use kernel from CentOS plus, because RH have dropped support of many hardware in their base kernel.


Yes, it's an interesting idea. That or use kernel-ml from Elrepo.
Is there a specific hardware you are having problems with?
Re: Stella 7.0 ? [message #2711 is a reply to message #2709] Sat, 01 November 2014 13:16 Go to previous message
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Yes, after installation of CentOS 7 to Dell Inspiron notebook with Broadcom b43 family WiFi adapter, this adapter didn't work. Stock kernel has no b43 driver at all, CentOSPlus kernel has this module and after downloading some firmware from Broadcom - WiFi works. It's desirable then to set CentOSPlus kernel as DEFAULTKERNEL in /etc/sysconfig/kernel and/or remove main kernel to prevent problems after kernel updates, because stock kernel may be updated a few hours earlier.

Interestingly, this same adapter worked at CentOS 6 with stock kernel without any additional firmware Smile

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